ESCAPE VELOCITY

1 - Let's just hope he's kind enough to convert whatever he comes up with from their open *cough* document format into something everyone can read.

2 - anyone know how to save from these editors to a format you can import into Lotus Notes view? I agree with you on most of what you say, but i have been trying to do without excell and word for the last two weeks and now i need to import a spreadsheet into a view. Any ideas? I cant save as a wk4

3 - People who have not worked with software should stop saying what it can and can not do. Peter probably has not played with the Editors in 8. They are on par with what would expect in Office 2000. Great core functionality with some nice bells and whistles. The fact they will work on 3 platforms and support ODF makes them attractive. The fact they are part of the Notes 8 client license makes them a viable alternative. Will you do fancy pivot tables and hard-core presentation animations like you might do in Office 2007? No. You will also not need 2 gig of hard drive to install them ...

Once they integrate tighter with the Notes 8 client and have a full-featured API ... you will see lots of Notes shops evaluate their need for Office.

@5 - Mark ... save as CSV and import that way. Or, save as xls, change the extenstion to .wk4, and import it as well. Both work

4 - @4 - You're accusing ME of being virulent? When Mr. de Haas wants to trash-talk the productivity editors into "one dimension calculations?" Yes, I am hostile and malicious when someone just flat out LIES about a competitor.

And yes, I'm aware that there's more to compliance than strictly records retention. And I'm aware that you are, once again, plugging your product in a blog comment.

@5 - Don't know of any good ways that don't involve writing programs. The ODF format for a spreadsheet is just XML, so you could technically import it via Lotuscript and an XSLT, but no one's written one for that just yet. You might be able to write an old fashioned COL file filter if you're sufficiently motivated.

Or you could see if Ben from Geniisoft.com is willing to get you a beta copy of his OpenSesame tool.

5 - Your comments are virulent and the comment about record-compliant e-mail is a bit simplistic as there are many aspects to be record-compliant and neither IBM nor Microsoft has made any solutions that are certified with quite that level of simplicity (we're an ISV in this field and are very close to that level of simplicity with Notes with our IIUI Records Manager Express for Domino solution). Records Management is much more than just retention. I posted a more detailed response to Peter de Haas's FUD directly on Mr. Sampson's blog.

6 - Mr. de Haas theoretically has the entire resource base of Microsoft at his disposal. I'm sure he can find a place to post some screenshots or Camtasia videos. He doesn't need my blog as a place to do it.

or were you being ironic?

7 - Nathan, unfortunately the comment system on your blog does not provide text formatting or multi-dimensional calculations. I am afraid Mr. de Hass will not be able to demonstrate anything here.

8 - John
thanks for the tip

9 - I notice that Peter has not followed up on the discussion on my site, Michael Sampson's, or here. I guess he's busy downloading the Notes 8 beta

10 - The N8 prod. editors are "good enough", which is what made DOS/Windows 1.x-3.x Access 1.0, etc. killer apps in their day. I like the editors. No it's not Office 2003 which Peter obviously was attempting tease out, but it's "good enough" for anyone to be productive with it.

My assumption is IBM isn't attempting to displace Office 200x (no one can) but rather fill the void on systems that don't have it.