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Google
Wave. If you haven't seen
it yet, it really is worth the hour and twenty minutes to sit through the
whole thing.
For yellow bleeders, here's the simple summary: email, forums, wikis, IM, documents -- all in one seamless interface.
I feel really sorry for my friends at IBM right now. If this stuff really works in the real world the way it does in the demo (and let's face, it Google does tend to get these things right) they just smacked down Notes, iNotes, Sametime, Quickr and a good portion of Symphony. Probably Foundations, too. Google hasn't made a Notes-killer -- they've made a Lotus-killer.
I know of no initiative whatsoever at Lotus that comes anywhere close to this level of innovation.
For yellow bleeders, here's the simple summary: email, forums, wikis, IM, documents -- all in one seamless interface.
I feel really sorry for my friends at IBM right now. If this stuff really works in the real world the way it does in the demo (and let's face, it Google does tend to get these things right) they just smacked down Notes, iNotes, Sametime, Quickr and a good portion of Symphony. Probably Foundations, too. Google hasn't made a Notes-killer -- they've made a Lotus-killer.
I know of no initiative whatsoever at Lotus that comes anywhere close to this level of innovation.
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Posted by Carl Tyler At 10:54:07 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Posted by Ports At 08:00:57 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Posted by Mike Lazar At 09:27:51 PM On 06/01/2009 |
What's peer-to-peer about this? It's all client/server.
One thing that seems strange to me is the assumption that you HAVE to run with the character streaming. They state quite clearly that you can turn it off. In which case, it's email, except you can reply to a specific paragraph instead of the whole document -- which makes it more like post-its on a piece of paper. Should be very popular with grumpy old users.
@15 - Yeah, I was thinking about that on the way home. No inherent reason why that couldn't happen, though I think the RT editor is going to be a MAJOR barrier to that in the short term.
@14 - Of course you are. If you can identify anything that's not on my list of 3 critical items for Google, I'd be eager to hear them.
@13 - Technically, Websphere Translation Server will do this for Sametime. Of course, you can't *get* WTS unless you know a guy who knows a guy. They wouldn't even sign me up for a eval copy, 'cause the word "Lotus" is in our name.
Posted by Nathan T. Freeman At 08:16:41 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Posted by Pedro Quaresma At 08:46:50 AM On 06/02/2009 |
You KNOW I'm going to have to post my "Get off my lawn!" take on this later, right?
Posted by Andrew Pollack At 06:38:11 PM On 06/01/2009 |
This will be a game changer
Posted by sean cull At 06:10:22 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Posted by Andrei Filimonov At 07:52:14 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Posted by Mike Lazar At 06:23:23 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Posted by Nathan T. Freeman At 05:33:28 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Posted by Mike Lazar At 05:20:19 PM On 06/01/2009 |
And it doesn't suffer from the standard "your data has to go in the cloud" issue, either. The protocol allows server-to-server federation via TLS-secured XMPP.
As I see it, there's 3 potential points of failure here: 1) Identity management could massively fail, so none of the information is trustworthy; 2) They could leave out scheduling features, so that synchronous collaborations work great, but asynchronous ones don't; 3) The network protocol could turn out to be so burdensome that it doesn't scale.
If they get those 3 items right? Well, why WOULD you use anything else in that case? What do Lotus and Microsoft bring to the table at that point besides legacy?
@8 - Yeah, bad S:N ratios are definitely a risk. But that's a reason to apply better filtering of what's real time, not eschew real time altogether. Many of us have integrated instant messaging and micro-blogging into our normal routines without being swamped by it. I'm not sure this would be a very different transition.
Posted by Nathan T. Freeman At 05:14:38 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Does this mean that as a consultant, you think the handwriting on the wall is telling you to stop learning X-pages and start learning Google Wave, i.e., that in five years your Lotus work will dry up?
Posted by Timothy Briley At 04:42:18 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Posted by Mike Lazar At 04:44:23 PM On 06/01/2009 |
The standard argument (which I've delivered many times) about the danger of putting things in the cloud goes away, too. Wave is designed to be federated. You can keep some pieces entirely inside the firewall.
Posted by Nathan T. Freeman At 03:23:43 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Wave reminds me of a conversation I had with the business owner of an application I wrote in 1998. At one point, he asked me "when do we get to see the Notes collaboration stuff?". What he described, what he expected, is pretty much what the Wave developer keynote showed. When I told him about eventually integrating chat and meetings, he said 'no, that's not it"
Scott, Google's got your "collaboration stuff" right here
Posted by Dan Sickles At 04:34:12 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Here's the difference, though: You'll be able to fix Google's interface by setting a single override CSS file.
Posted by Nathan T. Freeman At 03:41:52 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Seriously, it may ahve cool functions, but their screenshots makes it looks like web 2.0 threw up on my screen.
Someone needs to let them know that whitespace is valuable.
Posted by Dave A. At 03:37:22 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Posted by Keith Brooks At 02:59:36 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Posted by John Vaughan At 02:53:14 PM On 06/01/2009 |
Don't get me wrong, IBM is showing vision with connections etc.. but it is incrementally improving on ideas that already exist. The Google stuff is more of a step out in my view
Sean
Posted by Sean Cull At 10:12:51 AM On 06/02/2009 |
Posted by Kerr At 05:51:59 PM On 06/03/2009 |
And the Google product isn't even out yet.
Posted by Erik Brooks At 03:04:32 PM On 06/03/2009 |
Posted by Henning Heinz At 02:49:06 PM On 06/03/2009 |
Posted by Gerry S At 10:29:33 AM On 06/03/2009 |
However, if it takes them two or three or four years to roll anything out ... well ... it will just be too late.
Perhaps we, as developers, can integrate the two.
Posted by RobShaver At 04:29:55 PM On 06/02/2009 |
Posted by Nathan T. Freeman At 12:03:53 PM On 06/02/2009 |
I'm also sure that if it costs anything at all it will be worlds easier to order Google's product than it will be dealing with IBM, PVU pricing, etc.
And as we know, rapid adoption in SMB means it will eventually percolate up into large business as well.
I haven't finished watching the entire video yet, but the only additional barrier I can see other than the three you mentioned is support. There's obviously no current army of people ready to support it, guarantee response times, etc. But that will likely change as adoption snowballs.
If it's free (or ultra-inexpensive) to download, then that'll be a big ouch to Lotus. It's really hard to compete with a company that's willing to dump boatloads into R&D and then gave away their product.
Honestly, though, this could be a GREAT thing if IBM/Lotus can "ride the wave". IBM is getting to be somewhat good at considering and incorporating open-source pieces into the Lotus portfolio, while still throwing in some value-add (security, app dev components, support, Business Partners, etc.) and then selling it. Incorporating Wave support into the Lotus portfolio might be a fantastic way to ride the buzz and at the same time make Notes/Domino "trendy" again.
If IBM can get on top of it.
Posted by Erik Brooks At 11:45:13 AM On 06/02/2009 |
But then this morning a reality check at a customer. I was trying to explain why wiki's are (sometimes) better than just putting information in a document. He just didn't get it.
Then imaging explaining Wave to this customer ... "Oh, but this replaces my Outlook Client?, but it's so easy to print my e-mails from Outlook"
I love the promise of Wave, but this is so far ahead of what the average business users gets that it will take another 10 year before I can persuade my previous customer to check this out.
Posted by Pim At 09:04:27 AM On 06/12/2009 |
It not only threatens to eat Lotus' lunch, but also MS Office, Sharepoint, Facebook, Twitter, and so many other companies/products. This is big, and so obvious for those of us in the Lotus collaborative world -- it is clearly a new world (and it's a relief to know that the next technology I'm going to pick up sure as hell won't be Sharepoint
Posted by Don Mottolo At 10:36:57 PM On 06/04/2009 |
You a betting man? Want to bet against me?
So here it is <<<< web session terminated >>>>
Posted by Brent Peters At 10:18:31 PM On 06/04/2009 |
I sat there (same experience as @27 incidentally) thinking "there is hardly a Lotus product out there not threatened by this" - mail, sametime, quickr, connections, even symphony if google docs integration works.
Let's face it, I'd have watched an 80 minute presentation on the contextual spellcheck and IM-translate functions alone
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